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Date: 06 Aug 2007 03:22:55
From: W. Watson
Subject: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in the
Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the Earth's
orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
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Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net >
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 12:23:03
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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On Aug 9, 3:27 pm, "W. Watson" <wolf_tra...@invalid.com > wrote:
> I suspect you are thinking of Milankovich and ice ages?
>
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>
>
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On Aug 6, 5:50 am, SkySea <Sky...@aolREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> Yes, it has to do with the ellipticity of the earth's orbit, which
> >> affects something called the equation of time.
>
> >> The closer the earth is to perihelion, the faster it moves in its
> >> orbit, making the Sun appear to traverse the sky more slowly.
>
> >>> "W. Watson" wrote:
> >>> There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in the
> >>> Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the Earth's
> >>> orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
> >> =============
> >> - Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
> >> 122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
>
> > Listen up because this is very important for climatological reasons
> > and besides,we can now view the Earth from space to verify the
> > accurate conception for why the Equation of Time exists and how to
> > get rid of that primitive pseudo-dynamic of variable axial tilt to
> > explain cyclical hemispherical weather patterns otherwise known as the
> > seasons.
>
> > If axial rotation did not exist and only the Earth's orbital motion
> > was occuring,a location on Earth would not hold its same face to the
> > Sun over the course of an annual orbit.It is very difficult to gauge
> > on Earth but the extreme axial orientation of the planet Uranus helps
> > to provide the explanation for what occurs to the Earth -
>
> >http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
>
> > The reason that the natural noon cycles on Earth are unequal is due
> > to the change in the orbital orientation of the Earth as axial cycle
> > returns to noon,the variations have nothing to do with the Equatorial
> > orientation to the Sun but rather the variations in the length of time
> > it takes a longitudinal location to return to noon as it passes
> > through variations in orbital orientation.
>
> > Of course it is extremely important for climatological purposes but
> > none of you seem to take anything seriously beyond congratulating
> > yourselves on your magnification exercise.
>
> --
> Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
>
> Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
How brilliant you all are,how wonderfully intelligent and intutive are
you responses as are your conceptions.
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/nav.3116
Look at how a location keeps the same face to the Sun every 24 hours
exactly even though such a conception is lethal for climatological
studies.
Look at how a location rotates to noon in 24 hours exactly even though
it has been known for centuries,nay millenia that noon two daily noon
cycles are the same.
Marvel at how the axial and orbital motions of the Earth are
justified using the return of a star to a meridian in 23 hours 56
minutes 04 seconds.Like fitting a round peg into a square
hole,Flamsteed fitted 4 annual cycles of the Earth into a calendar
system which is constructed of 3 years of 365 day and 1 year of 366
days.What a feat !!,even the creationists would be impressed with that
pseudo-intellectual construct.
Do you suspect,well I will too.I suspect that the damage is so
severe,the empirical indoctrination is so deep and pervasive that
humanity will have to settle into a long inglorious period of an
intellectual and intutive winter.The sterility of the conceptions
which form the astrological core of empiricism and unwittingly
created by one man - John Flamsteed represent the complete destruction
of Earth sciences where the motions of the Earth are involved and
especially in areas such as climatology and geology.
You want your analemmas and your 'sidereal day' and ignore the
correlation which keeps clocks in sync with the axial cycle at
precisely 24 hours/360 degrees but when intellectual and intutive
intelligence winds down to that level it exists as a holocaust
mentality.Even with the great work of Huygens before you,the
indoctrination cuts so deep that the enjoyable correlation withers
into the pretensious and useless 'sidereal day' justification where
the noon cycles are 24 hours exactly.
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 12:07:43
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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On Aug 8, 11:34 am, oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Aug 6, 5:50 am, SkySea <Sky...@aolREMOVE.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, it has to do with the ellipticity of the earth's orbit, which
> > affects something called the equation of time.
>
> > The closer the earth is to perihelion, the faster it moves in its
> > orbit, making the Sun appear to traverse the sky more slowly.
>
> > >"W. Watson" wrote:
> > >There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in the
> > >Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the Earth's
> > >orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
>
> > =============
> > - Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
> > 122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
>
> Listen up because this is very important for climatological reasons
> and besides,we can now view the Earth from space to verify the
> accurate conception for why the Equation of Time exists and how to
> get rid of that primitive pseudo-dynamic of variable axial tilt to
> explain cyclical hemispherical weather patterns otherwise known as the
> seasons.
>
> If axial rotation did not exist and only the Earth's orbital motion
> was occuring,a location on Earth would not hold its same face to the
> Sun over the course of an annual orbit.It is very difficult to gauge
> on Earth but the extreme axial orientation of the planet Uranus helps
> to provide the explanation for what occurs to the Earth -
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
>
> The reason that the natural noon cycles on Earth are unequal is due
> to the change in the orbital orientation of the Earth as axial cycle
> returns to noon,the variations have nothing to do with the Equatorial
> orientation to the Sun but rather the variations in the length of time
> it takes a longitudinal location to return to noon as it passes
> through variations in orbital orientation.
>
> Of course it is extremely important for climatological purposes but
> none of you seem to take anything seriously beyond congratulating
> yourselves on your magnification exercise.
The link I posted was incorrect insofar as it uses the extreme
rotational orientation of Uranus to highlight what occurs on Earth.
http://www.astro.psu.edu/users/niel/astro1/slideshows/class39/023-uranus-seasons.jpg
The same thing occurs on Earth as a location on the planet changes
its orbital orientation to the Sun over the course of an annual
cycle .The rate of change of orbital orientation and subsequently the
differing times it takes a location to rotate to noon provide the only
possible affirmation for Keplerian orbital geometry.
The equivalency of 1 degree of geographical seperation (terrestrial
longitudes) for 4 minutes of clock time making exactly 24 hours/360
degrees is an affirmation of both Copernican heliocentricity and
Keplerian orbital geometry and is one of the great jewels of Western
astronomy.
The fact that students will not be taught properly as they return to
school or rather be taught a phony conception which has an
astrological core is one of the great human tragedies insofar as no
authority exists to recognise the damage being done.
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 03:34:20
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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On Aug 6, 5:50 am, SkySea <Sky...@aolREMOVE.com > wrote:
> Yes, it has to do with the ellipticity of the earth's orbit, which
> affects something called the equation of time.
>
> The closer the earth is to perihelion, the faster it moves in its
> orbit, making the Sun appear to traverse the sky more slowly.
>
> >"W. Watson" wrote:
> >There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in the
> >Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the Earth's
> >orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
>
> =============
> - Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
> 122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
Listen up because this is very important for climatological reasons
and besides,we can now view the Earth from space to verify the
accurate conception for why the Equation of Time exists and how to
get rid of that primitive pseudo-dynamic of variable axial tilt to
explain cyclical hemispherical weather patterns otherwise known as the
seasons.
If axial rotation did not exist and only the Earth's orbital motion
was occuring,a location on Earth would not hold its same face to the
Sun over the course of an annual orbit.It is very difficult to gauge
on Earth but the extreme axial orientation of the planet Uranus helps
to provide the explanation for what occurs to the Earth -
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
The reason that the natural noon cycles on Earth are unequal is due
to the change in the orbital orientation of the Earth as axial cycle
returns to noon,the variations have nothing to do with the Equatorial
orientation to the Sun but rather the variations in the length of time
it takes a longitudinal location to return to noon as it passes
through variations in orbital orientation.
Of course it is extremely important for climatological purposes but
none of you seem to take anything seriously beyond congratulating
yourselves on your magnification exercise.
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 14:27:41
From: W. Watson
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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I suspect you are thinking of Milankovich and ice ages?
oriel36 wrote:
> On Aug 6, 5:50 am, SkySea <Sky...@aolREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> Yes, it has to do with the ellipticity of the earth's orbit, which
>> affects something called the equation of time.
>>
>> The closer the earth is to perihelion, the faster it moves in its
>> orbit, making the Sun appear to traverse the sky more slowly.
>>
>>> "W. Watson" wrote:
>>> There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in the
>>> Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the Earth's
>>> orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
>> =============
>> - Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
>> 122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
>
> Listen up because this is very important for climatological reasons
> and besides,we can now view the Earth from space to verify the
> accurate conception for why the Equation of Time exists and how to
> get rid of that primitive pseudo-dynamic of variable axial tilt to
> explain cyclical hemispherical weather patterns otherwise known as the
> seasons.
>
> If axial rotation did not exist and only the Earth's orbital motion
> was occuring,a location on Earth would not hold its same face to the
> Sun over the course of an annual orbit.It is very difficult to gauge
> on Earth but the extreme axial orientation of the planet Uranus helps
> to provide the explanation for what occurs to the Earth -
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
>
> The reason that the natural noon cycles on Earth are unequal is due
> to the change in the orbital orientation of the Earth as axial cycle
> returns to noon,the variations have nothing to do with the Equatorial
> orientation to the Sun but rather the variations in the length of time
> it takes a longitudinal location to return to noon as it passes
> through variations in orbital orientation.
>
> Of course it is extremely important for climatological purposes but
> none of you seem to take anything seriously beyond congratulating
> yourselves on your magnification exercise.
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net >
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 03:19:59
From: oriel36
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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On Aug 6, 4:03 pm, "W. Watson" <wolf_tra...@invalid.com > wrote:
> Thanks for the explanation, and to the posters above you. Yes, now I recall
> the analemma. It's been a long time since I've considered it. I had a photo
> of it from Sky and Tel years ago. It's long disappeared. It was quite
> impressive.
>
> SkySea wrote:
> > Yes, it has to do with the ellipticity of the earth's orbit, which
> > affects something called the equation of time.
>
> > The closer the earth is to perihelion, the faster it moves in its
> > orbit, making the Sun appear to traverse the sky more slowly.
>
> >> "W. Watson" wrote:
> >> There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in the
> >> Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the Earth's
> >> orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
>
> > =============
> > - Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
> > 122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
>
> --
> Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
>
> Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
The 'analemma' is the astronomical equivalent of Piltdown man,in the
astronomical sense that the 'analemma ' is a 17th century hoax
developed by Flamsteed which has caused considerable mischief with
very old and distinguished astronomical principles.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~adcs/Huygens/06/kort-E.html
That treatise by Huygens tells you how the 24 hour day is created out
of the variations in the natural noon cycle and subsequently it infers
that as each 24 hour cycle elapses into the next 24 hour cycle,it
provides the basis for the equivalence of 1 degree of geographical
seperation for every 4 minutes of clock time making exactly 24 hours/
360 degrees.
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 21:50:47
From: SkySea
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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Yes, it has to do with the ellipticity of the earth's orbit, which
affects something called the equation of time.
The closer the earth is to perihelion, the faster it moves in its
orbit, making the Sun appear to traverse the sky more slowly.
>"W. Watson" wrote:
>There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in the
>Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the Earth's
>orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
=============
- Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 08:03:15
From: W. Watson
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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Thanks for the explanation, and to the posters above you. Yes, now I recall
the analemma. It's been a long time since I've considered it. I had a photo
of it from Sky and Tel years ago. It's long disappeared. It was quite
impressive.
SkySea wrote:
> Yes, it has to do with the ellipticity of the earth's orbit, which
> affects something called the equation of time.
>
> The closer the earth is to perihelion, the faster it moves in its
> orbit, making the Sun appear to traverse the sky more slowly.
>
>> "W. Watson" wrote:
>> There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in the
>> Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the Earth's
>> orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
>
> =============
> - Dale Gombert (SkySea at aol.com)
> 122.38W, 47.58N, W. Seattle, WA
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net >
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 16:37:26
From: Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com > wrote in
news:juwti.56049$5j1.25719@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
> There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in
> the Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the
> Earth's orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma
http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Solar-Analemma.htm
Klazmon.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 03:35:29
From: Sam Wormley
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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W. Watson wrote:
> There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises in
> the Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the elliptical the
> Earth's orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
Have you taken into account the equation of time?
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 07:59:58
From: W. Watson
Subject: Re: Asymmetry in Sunrise at Vernal and Autumnal Equinoxes?
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I don't believe I've ever heard of it, but another poster below provides
some details.
Sam Wormley wrote:
> W. Watson wrote:
>> There seems to be a 15-16 minute difference between the two sunrises
>> in the Subject? Anyone know why? Does it have to do with the
>> elliptical the Earth's orbit? Something to do with a 325.25 day year?
>
>
> Have you taken into account the equation of time?
>
>
--
Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA)
Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net >
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