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Date: 22 May 2007 03:40:46
From: Viktor Yushi
Subject: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged human n
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That Bill approved by the Federal Executive Council a few weeks ago
prohibiting same sex marriages, passed into law should be strictly enforced=
to the letter. Homosexuality, including lesbianism, is repugnant to normal,=
decent minds.
Homosexuality means warring against nature=92s order, making human beings u=
se
their bodies in a way no animal, domestic or wild; no fowl, no bird of any
description, no reptile; snakes, lizards and all would ever try. It is
repulsive for respectable human beings who know what their reproductive
organs were meant for, to indulge in any experiment that is contrary to
nature=92s order. Perverts, deviants, psychopaths and all such, will alway=
s
find excuses to explain away their bizarre relationships. As when some
person with the title Executive Secretary, Nigerian Humanist Movement
(NHM), would want people to accept his doctrine that =91the concept of
marriage has been changing, and will continue to change as we gain more
knowledge about humans and sexual relationships=92. According to the
Executive Secretary of NHM =91Nigeria will remain a better, more progressiv=
e,
more promising and more democratic nation without this homophobic bill=92.
Permissiveness that has permeated our moral fabric has wrought havoc
already on the nation=92s social, political, educational and even religious=
thinking and practices. To endorse sodomy and bestiality so as to avoid
what perverts call =91ignorance, prejudice, hatred and religious fanaticism=
=92
will be throwing the doors open for more devastating plagues to join
HIV/AIDS now ravishing many homes.
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and
were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with
other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.=
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Date: 23 May 2007 07:08:03
From: Kelsey Bjarnason
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged
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[snips]
On Tue, 22 May 2007 03:40:46 +0200, Viktor Yushi wrote:
> That Bill approved by the Federal Executive Council a few weeks ago
> prohibiting same sex marriages, passed into law should be strictly enforced
> to the letter. Homosexuality, including lesbianism, is repugnant to normal,
> decent minds.
Actually, normal decent minds are those capable of coping with reality.
Here, I'll give you a quick dose.
Gays, like hets, have a wide variety of behaviors. Some are promiscuous,
some are risk takers, some are, arguably, dumb as doorknobs when it comes
to things such as the sex they engage in - which, again, makes them just
like many hets.
Gays *also*, again like hets, can form long-term bondings, commit to each
other, care for each other, love and support and shelter each other. They
can defend each other, protect each other, share and care and grow old
together, living and loving and enriching each other's lives, and the
lives of those around them - just like hets can.
Yes, there *are* some relationships we, as a society, do deem unacceptable,
but those are based on inequality. These relationships - a mature, adult
man loving another mature, adult man, or the equivalent for women - are
not such; they are a meeting of equals, building a life together in mutual
trust, love and respect.
The only thing repugnant about the question of homosexuality, to normal,
decent minds, is to try to turn love into something evil, to try to
demonize someone because they do not love in ways you deem acceptable.
> Homosexuality means warring against natures order
"Nature's order", as you put it, keeps producing homosexual members of
populations of many species, including humans. If there were anything
against this "nature's order" involved, nature would not keep producing
them, would it?
> , making human beings
> use their bodies in a way no animal, domestic or wild; no fowl, no bird
> of any description, no reptile; snakes, lizards and all would ever try.
Birds and beetles do it. So do dolphins, orang-utans and sheep.
Bonobos. Whiptail lizards. Fruit flies. Penguins. Bison. To name but a
few.
Yes, well. A complete failure to cope with reality on your part, eh?
> It is repulsive for respectable human beings who know what their
> reproductive organs were meant for
Pleasure, and occasionally, if desired, reproduction. Hey, wait,
homosexuals *are* using them for pleasure. Imagine that.
It can't just be for procreation. Every sexually-reproducing species does
that, but most - based on appearance, at any rate - don't seem to get much
out of it in terms of actual enjoyment; more a case of "It's breeding
season, you're okay, fine, let's get this over with."
We could, of course, have simply developed a purely instinctual need to
breed, but we didn't. There may be some very good reasons for this. For
one thing, the pleasure of sex is quite intense; if we have a partner,
knowing we can get this pleasure from them on a reasonably regular basis
is more likely to cause us to "stay at home", rather than go elsewhere and
risk losing the regular goods; this has obvious benefits for mutual
support.
One might also note that unlike many species, humans can have sex even
when not fertile; they need not go into heat or undergo similar changes.
Since sex _can_ be had - and enjoyed - when there is no possibility of
reproduction, it follows that while human sex organs _can_ be used for
procreation, this is obviously not the only reason we have them; they are
there for us to enjoy, as well.
So, since we know they are there for pleasure, then there is nothing wrong
with homosexuals enjoying them - that's what they're there for.
>, to indulge in any experiment that is
> contrary to natures order.
"Nature's order", as you put it, would have most of us dying off at an
early age from malnutrition, inadequate medical care, rampant uncontrolled
disease and more. It is precisely because of experiments which let us
tell Nature to go stick it in her ear that we live as long as we do, enjoy
good health through most of that, enjoy the medical care necessary to
treat us when we're injured or sick.
Somehow I don't think this "Nature's order over all" approach is going to
convince much of anyone of much of anything, other than that you have some
weird desire to return to the third century BCE, renounce everything from
electricity to inexpensive clothing, and die an early and likely miserable
death.
A very weird desire, to be sure.
> Perverts, deviants, psychopaths and all
> such, will always find excuses to explain away their bizarre
> relationships.
Odd; I was under the impression that psychopaths were noted for *not*
being able to have relationships.
> As when some person with the title Executive Secretary,
> Nigerian Humanist Movement (NHM), would want people to accept his
> doctrine that the concept of marriage has been changing, and will
> continue to change as we gain more knowledge about humans and sexual
> relationships.
Err... yes, it is changing. For one thing, many societies have
historically practiced polygamy, but that seems to be on the decline, in
large part because Christian closed-minded views have eroded traditional
ways.
Wait... you seem to be arguing *against* changing marriage forms; we
should, therefore, conclude that you wish to support the traditional
marriage form of polygamy? Hey, sounds good to me.
> According to the Executive Secretary of NHM Nigeria
> will remain a better, more progressive, more promising and more
> democratic nation without this homophobic bill.
Er, yes, pretty much by definition, when you remove bigotry and hatred
from the laws of a nation, the nation improves.
> Permissiveness that has permeated our moral fabric has wrought havoc
> already on the nations social, political, educational and even
> religious thinking and practices.
Permissiveness? Well, hell, let's not have that. Let's go back to the
good old days when men were men and women were property. How dare they
try to demand equality? Cane them, I say, until they get back in their
place!
Oh, wait, you meant another sort of permissiveness, right? Well, hell,
let's be fair about its application; if we're going to put one group back
into the dark ages, let's put 'em all back. Must be fair, you know.
> To endorse sodomy and bestiality so as
Err... I wasn't aware bestiality was under discussion here; I thought it
was about homosexuality. Try to stay on topic.
> to avoid what perverts call ignorance, prejudice, hatred and religious
> fanaticism will be throwing the doors open for more devastating plagues
> to join HIV/AIDS now ravishing many homes.
What's actually kind of ironic here is that it is the religious, with
their anti-contraception missionary messages, who are far more likely to
cause the disease to spread than are anyone else. Let's see...
Sao Paulo, Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua told some 200,000 locals how
contraception was to be avoided. 200,000 poor, ill-fed people in lousy
conditions - conditions ripe for all sorts of diseases. Apparently many
of these people are having sex - after all, why else the need to tell them
not to use contraception? But the message here is "Don't be safe, don't
avoid disease, spread it as much as possible by avoiding protection."
Yes, very good. Of course, when there's an outbreak - whether AIDS or
something else - you'll blame it on immoral behavior, right? Actually, so
would I, but the immorality is on the part of the Cardinal, the religion.
--
Davey, you only have two functioning brain cells. It's such a
pity that they reuse to talk to each other. - Dan Ceppa
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Date: 22 May 2007 21:41:22
From: Meteorite Debris
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged human n
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Last time that great scribe Viktor Yushi <yushi@gmail.com > chipped away
at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
> That Bill approved by the Federal Executive Council a few weeks ago
> prohibiting same sex marriages, passed into law should be strictly enforced
> to the letter. Homosexuality, including lesbianism, is repugnant to normal,
> decent minds.
>
> Homosexuality means warring against nature?s order, making human beings use
> their bodies in a way no animal, domestic or wild; no fowl, no bird of any
> description, no reptile; snakes, lizards and all would ever try.
Actually homosexuality is practiced everywhere in the animal world.
Just google the subject.
> It is
> repulsive for respectable human beings who know what their reproductive
> organs were meant for, to indulge in any experiment that is contrary to
> nature?s order.
What order?
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you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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Date: 21 May 2007 23:35:13
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged
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What's a "human n"?
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Date: 21 May 2007 23:42:42
From: Dionisio
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged
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No problem.
I've alerted Sesame Street. They'll have that "n" fixed in time for the Alphabet Song.
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
To bring up a child in the way that he should go, travel that way yourself once in a while.
-- Josh Billings
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Date: 22 May 2007 21:43:24
From: Meteorite Debris
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged human n
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Last time that great scribe Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com >
chipped away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
> No problem.
>
> I've alerted Sesame Street. They'll have that "n" fixed in time for the Alphabet Song.
Sesame Street? Burt and Ernie?
--
Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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Date: 22 May 2007 03:30:30
From: AZ Nomad
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged human n
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 03:40:46 +0200, Viktor Yushi <yushi@gmail.com > wrote:
>That Bill approved by the Federal Executive Council a few weeks ago
>prohibiting same sex marriages, passed into law should be strictly enforced
>to the letter. Homosexuality, including lesbianism, is repugnant to normal,
>decent minds.
Spamming asshole hate-mongers like you are repugnant to normal decent
minds.
Next time you get the brilliant idea to spew your filthy venom on usenet, save
everybody the hassle and just go fuck yourself.
You are the lowest scum on the face of the earth and if anybody should
be strung up by their balls, it is you and the shitstains who spawned you.
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Date: 21 May 2007 19:49:11
From:
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged human n
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On May 21, 9:40 pm, Viktor Yushi <y...@gmail.com > wrote:
> That Bill approved by the Federal Executive Council a few weeks ago
> prohibiting same sex marriages, passed into law should be strictly enforced
> to the letter. Homosexuality, including lesbianism, is repugnant to normal,
> decent minds.
Your disgust for anything in life is your issue. As a male child, you
probably experienced disgust over the thought of having sex, your
parents having sex, or yikes kissing a girl.
The pattern that emerges that you were able to find ways to deal with
your disgust and actually come to enjoy that which you previously felt
disgust for.
If we followed your model of disgust-management(R), boys would never
kiss girls. Men would never meet with women. And well, you know the
rest of the whole procreation thing.
As you did with your previous experiences of disgust or repugnance.
You got over it. My recommendation is that you do so now.
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Date: 03 Jun 2007 13:36:22
From: Vendicar Decarian
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged human n
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<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com > wrote in message
>. Homosexuality, including lesbianism, is repugnant to normal,
> decent minds.
Then why men near universally find lesbianism to be an extreme turn on?
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Date: 23 May 2007 01:28:30
From: Big Bad Bob
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged
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a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com tooks something from another newsgroup and
placed it here to 'troll' for responses...
don't bother responding to this thread, it's just a troll. google
groups revealed the OP wasn't even crossposted to any of the 4
newsgroups in the headers (it was in alt.religion.christianity or
something similar).
Troll-boy is busy trying to increase USENET entropy, or display his lack
of intelligence (or both). We get this sort of thing a lot in
alt.hacker . After all, this particular troll-boy is our "special" friend.
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Date: 22 May 2007 19:39:55
From: Morning Star
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged human n
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<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179802151.134598.129220@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 21, 9:40 pm, Viktor Yushi <y...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That Bill approved by the Federal Executive Council a few weeks ago
>> prohibiting same sex marriages, passed into law should be strictly
>> enforced
>> to the letter. Homosexuality, including lesbianism, is repugnant to
>> normal,
>> decent minds.
They didn't choose to be gay. You did know that didn't you?
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Date: 21 May 2007 19:09:10
From: Starlord
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged human n
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I hope you will enjoy your stay in the Cyber Black Hole where you will never
be seen again.
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"Viktor Yushi" <yushi@gmail.com > pucked on his keyboard again
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Date: 22 May 2007 04:21:43
From: Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
Subject: Re: Anyone who has a homosexual orientation has a severely damaged human n
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Remember folks: Don't feed the petty troll.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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