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Date: 24 Jun 2007 00:00:24
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Subject: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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The newest Moderated sci.astro.amateur board allows members to create
their own polls. There are now five up and running. Members can vote
and guests can view the results.
Polls appearing now:
1. MOTIVATION (10 straight clear and moonless nights. . .on how many
will you do some observing?)
2. WEIGH IN (If you could only observe one of the following for a
year, it would be:)
3. HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOIN' ON? (How long have you been an
amateur astronomer?)
4. THE COST OF AMATEUR ASTRONOMY (About how much money do you have
invested in amateur astronomy?)
5. NAKED EYE OBSERVING (How much of it do you do and how satisfying
do you find it?)
Go to: www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
--
Martin
Moderated sci.astro.amateur
www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 20:05:49
From: starburst
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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martinhowell@bluebottle.com wrote:
> The newest Moderated sci.astro.amateur board allows members to create
> their own polls. There are now five up and running. Members can vote
> and guests can view the results.
>
To hell with all of the naysayers. I wish you nothing but the best with
your forum, and hope that it thrives.
Chris
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 19:41:28
From: Marty
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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>To hell with all of the naysayers. I wish
> you nothing but the best with your
> forum, and hope that it thrives.
>Chris
Ditto. I've come to love saa over the years, and it's been the only
astronomical newsgroup I've bothered going to for quite some time. I
hope it survives and thrives, but taking the time to skip over all the
mean-spirited crap in here lately has made it a much less pleasant place
to spend my time. I've watched other astro groups go down the toilet...
I hope saa can ride this out. I like the straight forward simplicity of
a USENET style group, but lately Martin's group has been a nicer place
to spend a little time.
Marty
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 07:49:34
From: Jerry
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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martinhowell@bluebottle.com wrote:
> On Jun 23, 5:54 pm, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > martinhow...@bluebottle.com wrote:
> > > The newest Moderated sci.astro.amateur board allows members to create
> > > their own polls. There are now five up and running. Members can vote
> > > and guests can view the results.
> >
> > > Polls appearing now:
> >
> > > 1. MOTIVATION (10 straight clear and moonless nights. . .on how many
> > > will you do some observing?)
> > > 2. WEIGH IN (If you could only observe one of the following for a
> > > year, it would be:)
> > > 3. HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOIN' ON? (How long have you been an
> > > amateur astronomer?)
> > > 4. THE COST OF AMATEUR ASTRONOMY (About how much money do you have
> > > invested in amateur astronomy?)
> > > 5. NAKED EYE OBSERVING (How much of it do you do and how satisfying
> > > do you find it?)
> >
> > > Go to: www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
>
> > There is a new church every day. Maybe we should just clean up the old
> > one?
>
> A good place to start would be for you to use your real name on your
> posts but that isn't going to happen. For the many years I have been
> taking from and contributing to sci.astro.amateur, there has always
> been a constant desire expressed for a moderated version of the
> group. That ain't gonna happen usenet-wise so I am spending my money
> and my time (lots of it) to offer that alternative to those who want
> it, WHEN THEY WANT IT. I make no apologies to anyone that this had to
> be done in a web based forum. . .but a forum nonetheless composed of
> your fellow sci.astro.amateur members. Have you visited the site? If
> you did, you would surely recognize some of our contributors and
> members names from the usenet sci.astro.amateur.
>
> I have lit a candle in an effort to stop some from cursing the
> darkness. A visit to Moderated sci.astro.amateur will reveal what I
> bet is what you and others would like to see sci.astro.amateur
> become. Say what you want, but nothing anyone can assert will
> diminish the good intent I had in creating and have in maintaining the
> site.
>
> As for my updates for goings on over there, if you don't want to read
> them, then don't. They have been, and will continue to be, clearly
> marked as such.
>
> --Martin
Of all the moderated versions I can imagine, I would think yours
fair but I visited your site and I did not like the way topics were
parsed into a small number of catagories. That seems to defeat the free flow
and natural diversity of a ng where all kinds of things
come up, and overlap at times.
I realise some people prefer just that - narrow boxes (the way our
anestors liked caves?).
But Martin dont wear yourself out with this and get disappointed or
upset if it doesnt live up to expectations. Maybe it will. There are
pros and cons and potential in many directions depending on what
people do.... but I understand your motivation (time honored).
Good luck.
Jerry
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 23:24:24
From: elaich
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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Jerry <xyz@mchsi.com > wrote in news:467E685E.F74E23CB@mchsi.com:
> But Martin dont wear yourself out with this and get disappointed or
> upset if it doesnt live up to expectations. Maybe it will. There are
> pros and cons and potential in many directions depending on what
> people do.... but I understand your motivation (time honored).
I'm getting a little tired of him constantly spamming it here.
--
A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 11:38:40
From:
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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On Jun 23, 11:45 pm, "William R. Mattil" <wrmat...@ix.netcom.com >
wrote:
> martinhow...@bluebottle.com wrote:
> > On Jun 23, 5:54 pm, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> There is a new church every day. Maybe we should just clean up the old
>
> >> one?
>
> > A good place to start would be for you to use your real name on your
> > posts but that isn't going to happen.
>
> Gee, this tid bit from someone who used to hide behind a nom de plume
> himeself not that long ago ??? Seems to be a little bit disingenuous to me.
>
> > For the many years I have been
> > taking from and contributing to sci.astro.amateur, there has always
> > been a constant desire expressed for a moderated version of the
> > group.
>
> Maybe by the noobs. But the folks that have hung out here forever seem
> to think that moderation is a bit of a slippery slope. And really what's
> the point of yet another moderated Astronomy mailing list ? Or web based
> forum. What are you specifically offering that isn't already handled by
> the myriad of other choices ?
>
> > That ain't gonna happen usenet-wise so I am spending my money
> > and my time (lots of it) to offer that alternative to those who want
> > it, WHEN THEY WANT IT.
>
> Maybe you should look a little deeper into *why* you would want to spend
> your money and time doing this ????? Hopefully not some attempt to be a
> big fish in a little pond ?
>
> Besides why not just another yahoo group and then you can tout yourself
> as the mailing list *owner* and not have to spend any money.
>
> > I make no apologies to anyone that this had to
> > be done in a web based forum. . .
>
> It didn't - think yahoo, cloudynights, astromart lists etc etc
>
> > but a forum nonetheless composed of
> > your fellow sci.astro.amateur members.
>
> Probably just the noobs except for one or two.
>
> > Have you visited the site? If
> > you did, you would surely recognize some of our contributors and
> > members names from the usenet sci.astro.amateur.
>
> So what will you get there that you can't get here from those very same
> s.a.a regulars ? And not have to subject ones self to being "moderated"
>
>
>
> > I have lit a candle in an effort to stop some from cursing the
> > darkness.
>
> Some might think that it might be more like shouting at the wind
>
> > A visit to Moderated sci.astro.amateur will reveal what I
> > bet is what you and others would like to see sci.astro.amateur
> > become.
>
> Not me. And a lot of others have indicated that moderation isn't exactly
> a good solution.
>
> > Say what you want, but nothing anyone can assert will
> > diminish the good intent I had in creating and have in maintaining the
> > site.
>
> Hmmmmmmm whistling past a graveyard ?
>
>
>
> > As for my updates for goings on over there, if you don't want to read
> > them, then don't. They have been, and will continue to be, clearly
> > marked as such.
>
> Not a lot different from continually being a shill for your own
> purposes. But with s.a.a. being what it is I would certainly agree that
> you have the right to post what you want. Without fear of being
> moderated by anyone. And in the spirit of fair play <g> Are you going to
> make postings on your own "list" about the happenings here on s.a.a ?
>
> Bill
Hey Bill, I don't like you either. But your dislike for me doesn't
lend validity to your not so subtle attacks on me or my motives.
Enough said. You are not missed at the site and low level flames like
the one you have posted here are not welcome there. You belong right
where you are.
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Date: 23 Jun 2007 22:59:17
From: Marty
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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Just got back from answering polls. Kinda fun... :)
Marty
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 03:09:06
From:
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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On Jun 23, 7:32 pm, Matthew Ota <otake...@bigvalley.net > wrote:
> On Jun 23, 5:00 pm, martinhow...@bluebottle.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > The newest Moderated sci.astro.amateur board allows members to create
> > their own polls. There are now five up and running. Members can vote
> > and guests can view the results.
>
> > Polls appearing now:
>
> > 1. MOTIVATION (10 straight clear and moonless nights. . .on how many
> > will you do some observing?)
> > 2. WEIGH IN (If you could only observe one of the following for a
> > year, it would be:)
> > 3. HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOIN' ON? (How long have you been an
> > amateur astronomer?)
> > 4. THE COST OF AMATEUR ASTRONOMY (About how much money do you have
> > invested in amateur astronomy?)
> > 5. NAKED EYE OBSERVING (How much of it do you do and how satisfying
> > do you find it?)
>
> > Go to: www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
>
> > --
> > Martin
> > Moderated sci.astro.amateurwww.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
>
> OK I joined, but do not expect much of a user base unless participants
> in the USENET sci.astro.amateur emigrate en masse to it.
Thanks, Matthew. . .and thanks for the initial post in the new board,
"Star Party Season." I hope the link you provided produces good
results.
--
Martin
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 02:32:51
From: Matthew Ota
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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On Jun 23, 5:00 pm, martinhow...@bluebottle.com wrote:
> The newest Moderated sci.astro.amateur board allows members to create
> their own polls. There are now five up and running. Members can vote
> and guests can view the results.
>
> Polls appearing now:
>
> 1. MOTIVATION (10 straight clear and moonless nights. . .on how many
> will you do some observing?)
> 2. WEIGH IN (If you could only observe one of the following for a
> year, it would be:)
> 3. HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOIN' ON? (How long have you been an
> amateur astronomer?)
> 4. THE COST OF AMATEUR ASTRONOMY (About how much money do you have
> invested in amateur astronomy?)
> 5. NAKED EYE OBSERVING (How much of it do you do and how satisfying
> do you find it?)
>
> Go to: www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
>
> --
> Martin
> Moderated sci.astro.amateurwww.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
OK I joined, but do not expect much of a user base unless participants
in the USENET sci.astro.amateur emigrate en masse to it.
Right now I see only about 34 members on the forum. I hope that it
grows to be like the other big moderated non-usenet forums like
Universe Today, then it will be of more importance.
In the meantime I still hang out on sci.astro.amateur
Matthew Ota
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 01:17:50
From:
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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On Jun 23, 5:54 pm, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> martinhow...@bluebottle.com wrote:
> > The newest Moderated sci.astro.amateur board allows members to create
> > their own polls. There are now five up and running. Members can vote
> > and guests can view the results.
>
> > Polls appearing now:
>
> > 1. MOTIVATION (10 straight clear and moonless nights. . .on how many
> > will you do some observing?)
> > 2. WEIGH IN (If you could only observe one of the following for a
> > year, it would be:)
> > 3. HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOIN' ON? (How long have you been an
> > amateur astronomer?)
> > 4. THE COST OF AMATEUR ASTRONOMY (About how much money do you have
> > invested in amateur astronomy?)
> > 5. NAKED EYE OBSERVING (How much of it do you do and how satisfying
> > do you find it?)
>
> > Go to: www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
> There is a new church every day. Maybe we should just clean up the old
> one?
A good place to start would be for you to use your real name on your
posts but that isn't going to happen. For the many years I have been
taking from and contributing to sci.astro.amateur, there has always
been a constant desire expressed for a moderated version of the
group. That ain't gonna happen usenet-wise so I am spending my money
and my time (lots of it) to offer that alternative to those who want
it, WHEN THEY WANT IT. I make no apologies to anyone that this had to
be done in a web based forum. . .but a forum nonetheless composed of
your fellow sci.astro.amateur members. Have you visited the site? If
you did, you would surely recognize some of our contributors and
members names from the usenet sci.astro.amateur.
I have lit a candle in an effort to stop some from cursing the
darkness. A visit to Moderated sci.astro.amateur will reveal what I
bet is what you and others would like to see sci.astro.amateur
become. Say what you want, but nothing anyone can assert will
diminish the good intent I had in creating and have in maintaining the
site.
As for my updates for goings on over there, if you don't want to read
them, then don't. They have been, and will continue to be, clearly
marked as such.
--Martin
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 01:45:14
From: William R. Mattil
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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martinhowell@bluebottle.com wrote:
> On Jun 23, 5:54 pm, Prolegamina <Tracta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> There is a new church every day. Maybe we should just clean up the old
>> one?
>
> A good place to start would be for you to use your real name on your
> posts but that isn't going to happen.
Gee, this tid bit from someone who used to hide behind a nom de plume
himeself not that long ago ??? Seems to be a little bit disingenuous to me.
> For the many years I have been
> taking from and contributing to sci.astro.amateur, there has always
> been a constant desire expressed for a moderated version of the
> group.
Maybe by the noobs. But the folks that have hung out here forever seem
to think that moderation is a bit of a slippery slope. And really what's
the point of yet another moderated Astronomy mailing list ? Or web based
forum. What are you specifically offering that isn't already handled by
the myriad of other choices ?
> That ain't gonna happen usenet-wise so I am spending my money
> and my time (lots of it) to offer that alternative to those who want
> it, WHEN THEY WANT IT.
Maybe you should look a little deeper into *why* you would want to spend
your money and time doing this ????? Hopefully not some attempt to be a
big fish in a little pond ?
Besides why not just another yahoo group and then you can tout yourself
as the mailing list *owner* and not have to spend any money.
> I make no apologies to anyone that this had to
> be done in a web based forum. . .
It didn't - think yahoo, cloudynights, astromart lists etc etc
> but a forum nonetheless composed of
> your fellow sci.astro.amateur members.
Probably just the noobs except for one or two.
> Have you visited the site? If
> you did, you would surely recognize some of our contributors and
> members names from the usenet sci.astro.amateur.
So what will you get there that you can't get here from those very same
s.a.a regulars ? And not have to subject ones self to being "moderated"
>
> I have lit a candle in an effort to stop some from cursing the
> darkness.
Some might think that it might be more like shouting at the wind
> A visit to Moderated sci.astro.amateur will reveal what I
> bet is what you and others would like to see sci.astro.amateur
> become.
Not me. And a lot of others have indicated that moderation isn't exactly
a good solution.
> Say what you want, but nothing anyone can assert will
> diminish the good intent I had in creating and have in maintaining the
> site.
Hmmmmmmm whistling past a graveyard ?
>
> As for my updates for goings on over there, if you don't want to read
> them, then don't. They have been, and will continue to be, clearly
> marked as such.
Not a lot different from continually being a shill for your own
purposes. But with s.a.a. being what it is I would certainly agree that
you have the right to post what you want. Without fear of being
moderated by anyone. And in the spirit of fair play <g > Are you going to
make postings on your own "list" about the happenings here on s.a.a ?
Bill
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Date: 23 Jun 2007 19:54:33
From: Prolegamina
Subject: Re: A Polling Place (Moderated sci.astro.amateur update)
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martinhowell@bluebottle.com wrote:
> The newest Moderated sci.astro.amateur board allows members to create
> their own polls. There are now five up and running. Members can vote
> and guests can view the results.
>
> Polls appearing now:
>
> 1. MOTIVATION (10 straight clear and moonless nights. . .on how many
> will you do some observing?)
> 2. WEIGH IN (If you could only observe one of the following for a
> year, it would be:)
> 3. HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOIN' ON? (How long have you been an
> amateur astronomer?)
> 4. THE COST OF AMATEUR ASTRONOMY (About how much money do you have
> invested in amateur astronomy?)
> 5. NAKED EYE OBSERVING (How much of it do you do and how satisfying
> do you find it?)
>
> Go to: www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
>
> --
> Martin
> Moderated sci.astro.amateur
> www.moderatedsciastroamateur.org
There is a new church every day. Maybe we should just clean up the old
one?
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